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to chuck hagel what they were able to do to susan rice but it's not going to work this time because the white house is fighting back. they're already doing so. we've got to join that fight. we'll talk about that and a whole lot more. first, we get the latest, today's current news update, here she is, lisa ferguson out in los angeles. hi lisa. >> hey bill. welcome back. as bill mentioned obama's new appointments to his national security team are drawing some criticism from capitol hill. first off former senator chuck hagel who the president officially chose yesterday as his defense secretary. obama called him an american patriot and the leader our troops deserve. if confirmed hagel will be the first vietnam vet and the first enlisted soldier to become secretary of defense. republicans are criticizing the former senator for not having enough support for israel and not taking a hard enough stance against iran. democrats are also getting tough on hagel. newly-elected senator tammy baldwin, also the first openly gay u.s. senator says she plans on questioning hagel for his anti-gay commen

away from the susan rice pick. he gave in on taxing the top income earners at the rate he wanted. and so far he's really just tiptoed kind of cautiously around gun control. so this a confident obama based on the agenda you're seeing or a caution one? >> reporter: focusing on foreign policy, i think you'd have to say this is a confident president obama right now. just consider the selections of chuck hagel, john kerry, even though it's not susan rice, but also john brennan compared to four years ago. jim jones did not work out. there was secretary gates at defense that was brought over from the bush administration before him. and so i think in many ways this sort of demonstrates that the president feels he'll put his imprint on foreign policy going forward from him. hillary clinton a choice that some may have viewed as a concession of secretary of state and worked out well for both sides. >> david, you know, chuck hagel has gotten some opposition from the left and the right. do you expect in a second term now elected and safe obama might get some more opposition from the left, fro

and heavy drinking. so when republicans threaten to block susan rice, and now that they're threatening to block chuck hagel, and now that they are scoffing at even the prospect of jack lew at treasury, there are two options for understanding what republicans are doing here. they are either just making noise to convince their base that they still exist, and the beltway is dutifully reporting it as if it matters, but it doesn't. all those nominations are going to be or would have been fine, or the other option is that republicans really are going to try to set an absolutely historically unprecedented bar against the president nominating his chosen cabinet in a way that has never happened before in u.s. history. they will block, say, a nominee for treasury secretary because mitch mcconnell once felt irked in his presence. if that is really what they are planning, keep in mind that the republicans' mandate for doing this is something that they think derives from an election that the president just won by a lot and which their party lost seats in both the house and the senate. so it's eithe

't think we should change the talking point -- clarify the talking points that susan rice leading up to the al-qaeda. i've told three stories. director of national intelligence said they changed the talking point. f.b.i. said no, it might have been us. because of ongoing criminal investigation. the final answer believes the c.i.a. may have changed the talking point deleting references to al-qaeda. i'm not going to confirm john brennan or anyone else until the administration shares information with the congress about who deleted references to al-qaeda three weeks before the election. i think it was purposefully done and i want to know who did it before we move forward. >> you're committed to holding the nomination up? >> yeah. i don't want to. but i'm not going to let the administration get away from having to be held accountable. the state department, you will hear from hillary clinton. who did change the talking points and take al-qaeda out? what did the president do in seven hours? they are making two movies about the strong leadership and the bin laden raid. this administration le

up there, something susan rice was not able to do when she was in play. >> rose: she went up there but it didn't work. >> i think he needs to emerge from those meetings with at least a different tone. i think senator mccain is extraordinarily important. he supported senator mccain in 2000, didn't support him in 2008. senator schumer on the democratic side is important and mitch mcconnell the republican leader are important. there will be some republican senators opposed. he needs to hold the democrats in advance of his hearings and he needs to come out of the hearings, again, with a solid democratic support and a lot of republican support. i don't think he's going to get an overwhelming vote from the republicans, at least right now. doesn't feel that way. but i think he'd like to get 20 of them, 25 of them. that would be at this point probably best case for the white house. >> rose: but is the republican opposition to him primarily over some policy position he has about america's engagement overseas and the end of it, as david spoke to, or is it about what he has said or what

. >> right. let's add the name of susan rice to this discussion. because i think we might not even be having this discussion had he picked susan rice and had she had a better shot at being confirmed. a lot of progressives are still upset he didn't fight for her like he's going to have to fight for hagel. i want to leave that question aside. i don't think it has to do with gender. if he got his way, he didn't tell me he wanted to pick her, but had he been able to appoint susan rice, this might be a different picture. we might not even be talking about it. >> who did he pass over that could have met the quality test year? you don't have to be exactly the same as john kerry, but in that league. this is what i think you're pointing out about bringing up the foreign team. >> who is it actually? >> all the press, all the guys on the right now are saying flournoy. i don't know her. >> i don't know her either but i'm told she's terrific. >> her resume is dynamite. >> and would have been a great choice. but again, you bring people up and they develop a public profile as well. but to joan's point, i a

here. no question. we thought it was susan rice for secretary of state. not surprising for a president who won an election to decide to pick one or two big personnel fights. that happens in politics. think think -- the white house calculation, jim's dead right about the iraq war. if we have to re-debate the iraq war, they're on the high ground for that one and hearing criticism he's soft. normally when a democrat does that, they want someone that's tough because the criticism historically is they're soft on defense and here's a republican choice labeled as soft, soft on israel and soft coming to iran sanctions. john mccain and other conservatives say soft with the end of the iraq war and the president's comfortable with him and comfortable with the new cia chief. the president doesn't have to face re-election. this is the second term a different set of calculations and thinks he has work to do, diplomacy. they think they'll win in the end. >> i want to ask you about hagel's israel comments because he made some pretty pointed comments about israel and going to quote them. in one, hagel

for secretary of state was susan rice, a woman. i understand they're looking at each individual individually and looking at candidates saying who is the person we want. but you also have to look at the team holistically and say how is this team going to work together. i am concerned from that perspective. having diversity and people who come from different backgrounds, makes for better decision making. when i see the same type of person in terms of their demographics being nominated for position after position, i hope that he is looking in future appointments to include more diversity because i think it will make the country and the decision making process stronger. >> to krystal's point, take a look at this picture from today's "new york times." it was taken late last month. and it features the president's senior advisers. and other than valerie jarrett who i believe is hidden in the photo, all the president's men. >> yes. you can just barely see her leg behind the man in the blue shirt in the middle there. diversity is its own reward. we don't just want women just to fill a quota. >> that'

organization of women website. when ambassador susan rice was being attacked, they weren't rising to her defense. her name was the only one of the national security team being floated out there and you would have thought they would have come to her defense. a group of black women, national black womens roundtable stepped out there. you had the congressional black caucus. where was n.o.w. when they could have defended susan rice and kept her name alive to be nominee as secretary of state? >> the susan rice contrast is a very interesting one for a number of reasons. one of them is that susan rice technically took herself out of contention but there was a perception that she had been abandoned by the white house. whereas chuck hagel, a ton of people not only on the political right were raising objections to hagel and yet the white house hung tough on behalf of hagel which is very telling, i would suggest. i think when you're looking at senator kerry and senator hagel, you are looking at two people who served as mentors to president obama when he first entered the senate, with whom he feels

that jack lew will be a fight just as chuck hagel will be a fight, just as susan rice was a fight. the second problem for president obama is that so far his chosen bantd doesn't include any sisters, nor does it include any racial diversity. even members of his own party are expressing dismay. new york democrat charlie rangel called the lack of women embarrassing as hell and yesterday chairwoman of the congressional black caucus, marcia fudge wrote a letter urging the president to nominate two members of the cbc. bill, you are a former diverse member of the president's -- >> still diverse. >> yes. you remain diverse, though not sequestered at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, for which we are thankful. i wonder what you make about this contention that he is being too insular, a, in terms of the possibility of group think, people that have been with him forever, and then, b, how much is the diversity problem for him? >> well, i'll start with b. you know, i think that what we're seeing here is more of an optics problem than it is a real problem because by the numbers half of the white house

.s. ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white house correspondent kristen welker and washington post opinion columnist ruth marcus. ruth, i got to start with you because of the headline writers on your column -- >> thank you very much. copy desk. >> the headline was? >> binders full of women. >> beaninders full of women. what is going on here? that is the question that a lot of people are asking. >> it doesn't look so attractive. no disrespect to the looks of it. men involved. i am not a fan of bean counting and counting up numbers of women and numbers of minorities, but it is striking and it is disconcerting and it is disappointing to see in the big four jobs no fem

for the job? should we discriminant. >> janet napolitano h susan rice. >> an african-american woman completely pushed out of the way by republicans. >> it's embarrassing as hell. >> brought us whole binders full of women. >> of two appointments to the supreme court, both of them women. >> guys golfing with him, guys playing basketball with him. women have complained quietly about being excluded at the white house. >> the record speaks for itself. >> let's get to our panel now. msnbc political analyst karen finney while slouching but now isn't, and msnbc contributor goldie taylor joins us. karen, what's your view to the apparent lack of diversity in the president's cabinet as he moves forward? >> on the one hand i was disappointed in the picture, but i do feel like we need to wait and see what the full complement looks like and as others have pointed out, there are women in the cabinet, he has put two women in the supreme court. overall in the first term he's had a stellar record. at the same time though, martin, my bigger point here is i think we need to take the bigger picture. this is not ju

? this comes, of course, against the back drop of susan rice and the cratering of her nomination. >> sure. the first thing that happened was this enormous and i think pretty unjustified republican reaction against him because if you look at chuck hagel on paper, he is the perfect gop candidate. you know, combat veteran, businessman, earned millions of dollars in the private sector, very successful washington career. was an organizer for ronald reagan. as senator, supported missile defense, defense increases, don't ask don't tell. i mean, right down the line very sort of doctrine supporter of defense. i was pretty shocked to see this huge outcry against him, and i think it goes back to things other than chuck hagel. >> yeah. just maybe. karen, lindsey graham saying this is an in your face nomination. he would be the most antagonistic secretary of defense. sharp words, which probably p r portends something more than just policy disagreements. >> true, although at this point lindsey graham has kind of lost all if not most of his credibility because he sort of has been balking at just about

attention to, like, given the record, given the backing of susan rice, why is he so upset with having senator hagel as the secretary of defense? looking to retrench military power in the world, so there is going to be a fundamental choice being made for the next four years, and secretary hagel just part of is that debate. >> trying to pick a fight, figuring out where to move, you want to have a fight for this going simultaneously? if he picks susan rice? guest: there was an interview, and i think that had those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected some of the attention. other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some comment -- in some quarters, and john kerry -- i was the on the want to have written about this two years ago, because i had conversations with them about my own view is that at the time we will still pursuing -- part of the defense department, and trying to purge them from military service. this is one that they were attempting to sort out. it had not been repealed yet, and hagel made his opinion very clear. i have since talk

. chris: well said. >> chuck hagel. big discussions. unlike with susan rice where she hung fire for weeks and was dropped, or she dropped herself, this time he stuck with hagel after all the heat against him on -- some from the gays and the left and the neo-cons and where is he heading? put a guy out there in your face as howard said? >> he thinks that he can win. first of all it wouldn't look good if he backed down after what happened to susan rice and i think he thinks he can win this. and there are certain things about chuck hagel's resume that set with what he wants to do with defense. cutting defense spending, that sort of thing. it makes sense so he's going to stick with his pick. chris: is hagel, barack obama with a war record, is he really the guy that -- that obama has been hiding, more liberal on foreign policy? >> i believe that's right and he wouldn't have picked him in the second term unless he thought they were in sync on the larger philosophy of what they want. for the american force in the world. chris: a real statement picking this guy? >> he also thought he would give hi

president obama wanted to nominate susan rice as secretary of state to replace hillary clinton, so far he's appointed men to head up the departments of state, treasury, and defense. and the high-profile position of cia director also went to a male. long time friend of this show, h,lda salis surprised everyone by announcing her resignation this week. do would care how many women and women of color in the cabinet. >> the diversity of this nation. this is a president that said that that is important to him, he's lived up to it i believe he will do it in terms of his second. >> i think mitt romney has an opportunity to bring over his binder of women and hand it over to president obama which we've heard has had hostile environment in the white house. >> i think the bottom line is, he did fairly good job the first time, he hasn't delivered yet. he needs to. diversity at the highest level of government is going to deliver better results and better electoral and outcomes, what is he waiting for. >> i don't know where to begin quite frankly. because president obama ran one of the most divisive cam

is looking for a bipartisan pay. he is also looking for a fight. republicans would have none of susan rice because of the way she handled the been gauzy situation. -- been gauzy -- benghazi situation. if you wish to vote against him, hats off to you. mitch mcconnell has been appearing on sunday broadcasts. agel comesen chuck hege up, he will be given tough but fair questioning. >> an indian court will read out charges of five men accused of the game rape and murder of -- gang rape and murder of a student. they will also be charged with kidnapping and robbery. the 22-year-old woman died of her injuries in a singapore hospital last week. protests and vigils are continuing to deal with sexual assault. a father of the victim has denied he wanted to be named. several said the identity should only be relieved -- revealed. indian law bans the identification of sex crime victims. our guest joins us from the bureau in new delhi. it is good to have you with us. do you think the victims should be named? >> i think it should be less through the victims, and i have known several cases of women raped wh

to experience what that's like. >> pelley: john, the president did prefer susan rice as an appointment for... as the appointee for secretary of state to replace hillary clinton, butans the republicans didn't allow him to go forward with that. >> reporter: well, that's right.it and white house aides point right to that. susan rice was on the short list to be secretary of state until she withdrew her name from nomination. and immediately, aides said, that put her on the short list someday to be national securitye advisor. that is a top job. she, of course, remains in the cabinet, as do several other women and minorities. the president's closest, and some would say most powerful advisor, is a woman, an african- american woman, valerie jarrett, and white house aides point out that the white house has more women than men. they also say stay tuned, the president has more personnel decisions to announce. >> pelley: john, thanks very much. the cdc said today that the nationwide flu epidemic has now taken the lives of 20 children. the flu is widespread in 45 states. the outbreak is straining hospi

, chuck hagel. where does mccain come down on this? very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a confirmation hearing where the senate dgives deference to the president. mcconnell, around this "politico" story with quotes from mcconnell's farewell speech to hagel where he points out that hagel saved mcconnell's brother in vietnam, so we're not really sure. and singing his praises. >> that's only in the movie version. >> it's going to be hard for mcconnell to oppose him vocally here. >> that kind of sums everything up because if you watched yesterday's "meet the press," i mean, all this talk last week about the president's personality being difficult and unapproachable and isolated, ex

think there's a psychological element. he wanted susan rice as secretary of state. >> u.n. ambassador. >> u.n. ambassador, and she was heavily criticized by various others and she withdrew her name and i think he was simply determined that he wasn't going to be pushed around again, that he was going to pick hagel and also he has a friendship with hagel that goes back. >> paul: to the senate days. >> for several years so i think it -- a lot of these decisions aren't just simply ideological or policy decisions, there's a personality. >> paul: do you think he wants a fight? >> i think he's had a fight, probably fight that he thinks he can win and calling over to the senate and house both. what is striking to me as well, hagel doesn't have experience in what he's tasked to do, running the pentagon. president obama involves we're not getting involved in syria or push too hard, his main job is to run pentagon. >> he was enlisted in vietnam, and distinguished service, two purple hearts and knows what it's like to be an enlisted man and fighting on the ground and have those people foremost in

to go, and this is the mainstream policy. >> john: before we go to break do we expect a fight with susan rice. he must have known that this would have come with chuck hagel. >> yes, joe mentioned this. this will drive a wedge in the republican party. there is not only a realist perspective in the republican party in terms of foreign policy and a neo-con one but there is a growing isolationist in the republican party and this fracture is about republican coalition. in that regard i think there is an opportunity for a fight. at the end of the day this appeals to sort of i think in many respects president obama's favorite constituency, which is the beltway media. this idea bipartisanship and this notion of having a republican sort of daddy figure in some respects filling this role is very appeal to go part of the beltway media. so i think this is--to the extent that this is going to be a fight i think it's one that he's looking forward to. >> john: if hagel is the daddy figure then the nominee is the cheney destined to take them over. ♪ ♪ the sirius xm satellite radio in the 2013 ra

susan rice, why is he so dead set on having secretary hagel? i think it has to do with the fact that this appointment is somebody the president trusts to retrench american military power in the world. there will be a fundamental choice being made over the next four years about where the president takes us when it comes to strategic matters. secretary hagel's nomination is the beginning of that. host: isn't it veterans of washington trying to take your fight? do you want to have a fight for state and defense going simultaneously? if he had picked susan rice? guest: i think that is the case it would be. it could be too tough fights. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting less attention. i would like to comment on the gay rights. i w

would have none of susan rice because of the way she handled the benghazi situation. president obama is saying, i'm putting up chuck hagel, and i'm not withdrawing his name. republicans, if you wish to vote against him in the confirmation hearings, then that is up to you. mitch mcconnell, the minority leader in the senate, says that when chuck hagel comes up for confirmation, assuming he is nominated, then he will be given tough, but fair questioning. >> u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton is set to work in the coming hours after being treated for a blood clot in her head. -- set to return to work in the coming hours after being treated for a blood clot in her head. what world banks are being allowed more flexibility with the financial safety buffers they used to protect themselves in a crisis. it means they will have more assets which are easier to turn into cash if they run into trouble, and that will cut down the risks to investors savings -- investor savings. the committee on banking supervision has relaxed the rules on the types of assets banks can hold to reduce financial s

have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look at the fence, the cia and state and treasury, there's no women. now, to charles' point he was going to try to nominate susan rice and he had hillary clinton there but does he need a woman in one of those positions? >> i sure think it would be nice to see a woman in one of those positions. i think charles' point, it's obviously fair that almost half of the presidential appointees overall have been women, but when you look at the top, you see a really different story and this is not unique to the government. this is true in fortune 500 corporations. this is true in education. no matter where you look, you

case, the hagel nomination, as well as to an extent the susan rice nomination, which didn't even get off the ground, there are a group of these neoconservative organizations that are all affiliated to some extent with bill kristol, the weekly standard editor, that have spent a fair amount of money but more to the point have really leveraged the media and their own media platforms to make these into real controversies and to make them into real fights. a lot of people are saying, well, the fact that president obama did, in fact, nominate chuck hagel as opposed to susan rice who never got nominated, shows that these neocons are behind it. i don't think that's right. i think the neoconservatives are fighting a turf war within the republican party to make sure that the dominant foreign policy within the republican party remains a very hawkish one, and i do think we'll see some sort of squabbles on the floor of the senate or in the confirmation hearings for senator hagel to that effect. >> dana, is this hagel fight really about his views on israel, for example, and iran? or is it really,

-washy on whether ray la hood would say and more opportunities. susan rice is still around but a pr disaster for the white house. on the front page of "new york times," not something you want to do as trying to get your second term rolling and get a head start in to a year full of budget fights. >> right. especially an election and very critical of the other side's lack of diversity. valerie jarrett's leg was in night's photo. >> that's important. >> are we going to hear pushback on this nomination at all from the left? lew has less wall street -- fewer wall street ties than geithner an he was a coo at citigroup. he said during the 2010 crisis he didn't believe financial deregulation was a proximate cause of the crisis. will we see pushback from the left on this confirmation? >> we saw barney sanders of vermont say he's against the nomination but there's another problem, too. house republicans who are the only republicans in control in town really almost despise jack lew, do not see him as an honest broker and someone to work with and a story on politico tomorrow i'm working on puts a nail i

. they were able to ding him by denying him the choice of susan rice, the u.n. ambassador to be the president's next secretary of state. they view going after chuck hagel as being one more notch in this crazy war against the president when a lot of people in the country want congress to focus not so much on chuck hagel as they want them to focus on what's happening with sequester and the budget and debt ceiling and other things that have direct impacts on people's lives. from a policy standpoint, does this come down to bush era neocon, that reminds them that he opposed the war. >> he did oppose the surge. for republicans this is about somebody whom they disagree with on policy and never liked that much in the senate because he wasn't the kind of senator that had a lot of friends, that played the relationship game at a high level. and so it's not like he has solid friendships that can help republican members of the senate who serve with him overlook their policy disagreements with him. ultimately, i expect senator hagel to tell members -- to tell the senate and tell republicans that he is ther

wanted susan rice and it was the republicans that stopped susan rice from becoming secretary of state. i have great regard for senator hagel and i think he's a great choice. jack lew, women qualified for the positions? absolutely. >> do you believe that there is some meeting happens right now to try to appropriately deal with this? i mean, no one wants the job just based on the gender or color. you want to say i earned my way in this and we know the realities of doors opened and closed in our nation's past to women, to people of color. do you think given the situation, the exposure there's serious talk behind the scenes at the white house? >> absolutely. i think that's right. there's some serious talk about how to fill out the rest of the cabinet. you saw the white house rush to essentially say, hey, wait a minute, we have the folks staying. holder and sebelius but to me in some ways they weren't in tune to this initially going in to this and only speaks to the lack ofdy rersty. no one in that room to say, listen, maybe we have a problem with the optics with rolling out all of these whit

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, susan rice. we've had hilda solis, hillary clinton. today barack obama doesn't have any women in his cabinet is simply not true. >> his top adviser is a woman. >> romney, as i understand what romney was saying, however inartfully, although i don't even think it was that inartful when you think about it, is what arguably you want ceos to do, managers to do, which is if we believe that having a diversity of ethnic, gender, economic background voices in a room when a decision is being made whether you're at a bank or at a university or in a car dealership or the presidency or the governor of massachusetts and you get a bunch of lists and you say, there aren't enough candidates who will bring about this diversity of views, let's look more. >> and you know, that was the stupidity of -- >> office depot. >> -- yeah, that was the stupidity of the argument against romney for saying that. and i didn't defend romney a whole lot during the campaign for all the dumb things that he and his campaign staff did. this is what leaders do. this is what executives do. they say, bring in the best candidat

execute-- . >> rose: would he have preferred ssz an rice to john kerry. >> susan rice say great friend of mine. and i think a spectacular public servant. you have probably spent quite a bit of time with her. i think she's done an outstanding job in her position. i have said, you know, she was clear leigh a strong candidate for secretary of state. she was never, the president never said to me i've decided to choose susan rice or i prefer to choose susan but-- . >> rose: what was he thinking about the nomination. what kind of conversation would you have with the president about who he might nominate for secretary of state? >> well, i'm to the going get into detail about it other than to say that when he picked john kerry it wasn't a grudging choice. it wasn't a second choice. it wasn't-- . >> rose: he was thinking about 9 possibilities. and in the end he chose kerry, for whatever might have transpired. >> yes, yes. i mean i think what was done to susan by some members of the congress was outrage us. but-- . >> rose: john mccain, for example. >> well, i mean, yes, he and others. i think t

see the way he abandoned susan rice not the deal with it and they don't want to burn political capital on the bandwidth, but hagel will be okay, and there is going to be a lot of hue and cry, but i don't believe he will be abandoned. >> and what about susan rice to have this fight with hagel and brought up a whole set of concerns here whether or not the president's second ed administration is going to be less diverse than the first administration. we heard carney response sponding to the the claims earlier this week. >> well, janet napolitano is the secretary of homeland security, an cabinet level and the ambassador is susan rice, and this president has made two appointments to the supreme court, and both of them women. his commitment to dwsh. >> do you believe it is an unfair sgharnlg. >> well, the record speaks for itself. >> it is a good point and bad point, because when you can list the women on your hand, there are not enough women, like -- >> get a binder. >> i have a whole handful of women, and that alone makes you go, no, no, wrong answer, like, right, don't start naming them,

down following the whole susan rice controversy, whether she should be clinton's successor at the state department, she withdrew her name, as our viewers remember. if he would have caved on this one, he would have looked incredibly weak, i think, don't you agree? >> well, two things. one, i don't think he caved on susan rice. she was never nominated. and susan rice actually took herself out of the running for that. but -- so i don't think it's caving in on this. i've got to go back to something to point to ari. look, he was a republican. a sitting republican senator. if that's not bipartisan, i mean, i don't know what is. i have to, again, go back to what chuck hagel's real crime is here. and that is not playing the politics, the political ways of washington, which means you have to walk in lock step with your party. and if you walk outside of that, you'll be punished for it. i think that's what you're seeing right now. and the republicans attack on chuck hagel. especially when he went the opposite direction on his party. with the war in iraq. and guess what, he was right. >> this is a

. interesting the president chose this political fight over chuck hagel. declined to have it over susan rice. what was your view of her treatment in this whole process? >> i think it was not handled well. one of the problems with ambassador rice and chuck hagel, these signals come out saying this is who we are thinking about and you are left out there to dangle for weeks. well, if this is who you are going to nominate you nominate them and let's get on with the process. >> you feel like the president hung her out to dry? >> in both the susan rice case and chuck hagel case, if they were sure that is who they were going to nominate, i think it should have been done promptly but all these sort of test nominations that they send out there, i think just cause the media to naturally focus on it and potential opponents of that nomination just pile on. >> outgoing secretary of state hillary clinton, she is facing pressure to testify on the benghazi matter. do you think that benghazi episode is a blot on her record as secretary of state? do you think it will affect her political future? >> i don't th

for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the white house that the susan rice and john kerry were pretty much tied folks going in to that state department gig. president obama going with john kerry but you are seeing the white house going for a full throttled fight to get and to win chuck hagel and not going to be easy. >> mark murray, thank you so much. happy new year. see you tomorrow. >> thanks. >>> another group that's voiced opposition to chuck hagel's nomination is gay rights activists. at issue, comments hagel made in 1998 about james hor mel, president bill clinton's nomi e nominee. he was called openly aggressively gay and called it an inhibiting factor. hagel apologized for the remarks last mon

on like it was going to go to this woman, a current ambassador to the united nation, susan rice. susan rice is a long-time friend and ally of the president whose name was floated very early on as a favorite for secretary of state. ultimately, though, before anybody was nominated for the position, the white house sort of backed down from the prospect of nominating her. they allowed her to take her name out of the running when republicans attacked her for the grave, grave crime of saying something wrong on sunday morning talk shows. something that by the way turned out to be mostly correct. but never mind, they criticized her anyway, and the white house did not back her up in the face of that criticism, and her name was removed from consideration. now, faced with another high profile nominee who has attracted loud republican nomination, this time it appears the white house is not backing down. this time president obama has officially nominated chuck hagel to be secretary of defense as of today. interestingly, another potential nominee for a big high profile national security job for this

that. >> it doesn't explain why he didn't stand behind susan rice. if that was really his view. he's choosing the fight over hagel, in part i'm sure because he gave up on susan rice. why didn't he do it for her? >> it's possible he never was for susan the way others were. there really was a split in that white house. >> it looked like it had touched a personal cord with him when she was being criticized. may be separate from whether he wanted her for the job. i think the attitude is what's driving this on hagel. and i think his comfort level, his knowledge that if he's going to deal with defense budget cuts, he wants a republican in there. i'm not sure as andrea mitchell has pointed out that having somebody who seems to have such a difficult relationship with republicans is the best one to lead that fight. >> well, no, it is sort of the idea in what's in practice seemed to be two different things. watching republican reaction here. so jeff sessions, senator from alabama, says he's going to put a hold on jack lew. lindsey graham says he's going to put a hold on john brennan. are th

-term churn gets under way now. though it looked for a time like the president might nominate susan rice to be his next secretary of state, when that didn't happen, this latest wave of nominees appear to have something in common. and as nbc's andrea mitchell reports tonight, people are noticing. >> reporter: it is the white house photo that could be called all the president's men. adviser valerie jarrett is there, we're told, hidden behind the guys. as president obama filled his top cabinet post with nominees named jack and chuck and john -- >> it's time for me to move on. >> reporter: -- it was like "mad men" goes to washington, except peggy leaving ruth marcus. >> whatever white guy becomes chief of staff, i think it's actually kind of interesting that there are two women who are deputy chiefs of staff and no one has talked about them as possibilities at all. >> reporter: one of the two deputies, nancy ann deparle, a harvard lawyer, is leaving next week. epa administrator, lisa jackson. is quitting. so is labor secretary, hilda solis. disappointing some women who helped reelect the pre

women. we had two supreme court picks that were women. the optics. the susan rice debacle i guess you could call it tainted everything that came after that. i think it tainted poor john kerry's nomination because people were an assuming he was the second choice. i think the whole susan rice spectacle is hanging over and looming over all the other picks. >> you make good points though, joy. so david, the white house's response to all this. all these accusations that they're not putting in a diverse group of people. how's that going? >> well alex, what joy just said, there's only a few picks. that's what jay carnie the white house spokesman said the other day. he also ticked through some of the women who are still running departments and going to stay on in their jobs. just to push back a little bit, there have been four picks now if you count the treasury secretary announced this week in jack lew. it's likely we'll hear next week that inside the white house to replace jack lew chief of staff is probably dennis mcdonagh. not only did the first four picks that the president pick were men

in the nomination over secretary hagel as opposed to susan rice. i think steve would agree to this, one of the things that should be done in the hearings for the nomination is give much more clarity about where this administration is going. it is all fine and good to talk about the limits of power. everybody should understand our limits to power. that can be an excuse for not exercising power. i think that debate can be useful when put on the table when talking about senator hagel. >> hear the table, gary schmitt, the co-director for the -- and steve clemons the editor at large @ "the atlantic." we will get your comments in just a moment. i want to point out a " that is getting a lot of attention. i mentioned david miller who has a piece in this morning in "the washington news." he says this -- who would like to comment on that? i think the suggestion that senator hagel is anti- semetic, i have no idea. what is troubling about is not necessarily the jewish lobby -- the most troubling part is the fact that he goes on to say that's "i am a u.s. senator, i am not a senator from israel." t

of state. the president is considering a new job for ambassador to the united nations susan rice. may become the next national security advisor if all the appointments are confirmed. we will have carried out an almost total revamping of his national security team. >> confident that judge will be an outstanding secretary of defense and brennan will be an outstanding director of the central intelligence agency. may understand that we are only successful because of the folks up and down the line in these respective institutions. the folks on the ground who are oftentimes putting their lives at risk for us. and oftentimes removed from washington and politics. lou: some members of the party expressing consternation about his election because of controversial statements on the israeli reluctance. among the reason for that concern and in some cases outright opposition. seven of the 12 republican members of the armed services committee expressing some opposition with at least three senators already saying they will vote no. senator david fisher saying, i will be a no-vote and on the floor. so

't the case, why wouldn't he have stuck with susan rice, for example. >> i think first with susan it's not sure whether he wanted john kerry or susan to be the secretary of state. he had been through a long tough campaign. as soon as the campaign was over the republicans decideed to manufacture another crisis on the fiscal cliff. i think the president is determined to appoint the people he feels are best, and the republicans are determined at every turn to oppose them no matter what the merits. >> jennifer: i completely agree with you. it will be battle after battle after battle. folks out there if you're battle weary you better put on your armor, it's coming. if jack lou becomes treasury secretary. >> i don't think that will stop him at all. >> jennifer: i agree. that means his chief of staff will be open. ron klain and denis tell bus that. >> i've worked with ron. he's extraordinaryily well-qualified. he has been the chief of staff to the vice president gore two administrations, vice president gore and vice president biden and he is trusted by the president. denis i don't know as w

only 10% more diverse than george bush was. >> the susan rice pick messed up the rollout of this completely. >> condi rice was asked this question about you a reporter when she was secretary of state about the lack of diversity in the state department. and she says don't judge me as i enter the institution, but as i leave the institution. that's a great point. it's about how these people serve the country. >> i'm a very patient person. i'm happy to judge people as they are leaving as well. all right. we have to take a short break. if you feel like you work in a toxic environment but don't know what to do about it -- how is that for a segue? ken linder written a new book called "your killer emotions." best way to navigate your way is to keep emotions in check. we'll talk to him, up next. geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think

who have left, carol browner. >> we're off the boards there. >> susan rice cabinet level. >> unclear what she's going to do. >> key adviser to the president already. there's different ways you can crunch the numbers. >> i know, i'm trying. >> there are critically important women in the president's life who advise him every single day. >> you didn't mention michelle, sasha or malia. >> also not in the photo. >> they were in hawaii, in fairness to them. >> yes, because the whole point of the photo was to show the president was hard at work on the issue and the bigger question who let this photo go through. >> i feel bad for dan pfeiffer caught eating an apple. >> dan don't eat in the picture next time. we'll split it 50/50. >>> you know her from the popular group tlc, one of my favorite songs "no scrubs" come on, abbie. >> "waterfall." >> she's recovered from a brain tumor and revitalized her career, she'll join us, up next, back in just a minute. >> thank you, guys, how are you? ♪ don't go chasing waterfalls ♪ please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to ♪ >>> yo

. but he had options. >> bill: he also could have said to susan rice, you know, susan, i understand. we may not win this battle but you're the best person i think for that job and apparently that's what he did think and i'm going to make this fight. it is important to me to have you there. >> it also makes it more important now than ever that we embrace your idea of replacing hilda solis as secretary of labor with jennifer granholm. >> bill: there you go. started right here. i even talked to jennifer. i'm going to do her show tonight on current tv. >> you should say something. >> bill: yeah. maybe i should call her madam secretary. but i haven't even asked her whether she would accept the job that i've now given her. >> just details. >> bill: charles is in dallas, texas. hi charles. >> caller: how's it going, bill? >> bill: good. what's up? >> caller: i think this issue is a lot bigger than just obama and his appointments. if you look at the united states senate, for example, how many african-americans are there? >> bill: one. happens to be a republican. sadly. >> caller: so i think it's ju

, but -- >> all appointments did not move the way they wanted. they department get susan rice and put michelle in at defense. some wanted. you talk about the photograph, but let me share another photo. this one, this was the original photo published in the times taken december 27th. the white house countered with the second photo. the same for the president. you have -- you can spot them here. >> where the girls are. >> this is the oval office. as you point out and talked to the white house, they are defensive here. >> they are. they are defensive about it. it's dleer they don't like the pictures that don't show a lot of women. they argue that women have a lot of input and they are important. by the way, janet napolitano runs security and you have susan rice at the united nations. it's not as if this is a wasteland without women in this d main station. my sources say that they haven't filled the commerce job. then you put someone in the situation of say a woman is appointed to fill commerce, the question is asked, did she get that because she was a woman? >> or is she the best qualified. >> i

this comes after susan rice's nomination was arguably pulled. people believe that the president wanted susan rice to be secretary of state, and she was making a very public effort to court senators up on capitol hill for that nomination. she withdrew her name herself, but it was believed that the president wanted her to be that nominee, at first. she wasn't. and this nominee, chuc chuck hailing was under fire from the start. it doesn't seem that the president wanted to pull this potential nomination and is ready for this fight. he will likely have the votes, jon. and it may be a bumpy ride to get there, but he'll likely get there. and how much political capitol it takes to get there is really the question on both of these nominations. at the end of the day, the presidents usually get who they want to have in their cab tphefplt it's cabinet. it's a rare event when they don't. it does happen up here in washington but for the most part they can usually get the votes. jon: even more rare when a nominee is a former senator. how about john bren an also withdrew his name from consideration to be ci

and overlooked for that position and susan rice now out of the running. the question, do we have enough bench of women. the cabinet positions, it's long hours, my intern went over to the white house and works 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and for a woman would children, how do we work them so women can do them. >> megyn: and talking about this on the air yesterday, i'm a relatively young mother and i would not do a job that would require 12 and 16 hours a day regularly. i'd never see my kid. women make that trade off and men, too, but women. and however, ben, look at the women in the cabinet. hillary clinton in her 60's and janet napolitano i think she's not married and you know, you can find women who could do the job who aren't necessarily young mothers, it's not like there's an absence of qualified available women out there. so why isn't he finding them? >> well, i think he's finding people he's comfortable with. and that's the problem when you make laws based on political gain. and the president did this to make minority like him and did this so women would like mitt romney better than his binder fill

-qaeda references out of the talking points given susan rice three weeks before the election. we don't know anything. i don't want to hold up but i will until we get to the bottom of benghazi. in case the administration is listening to this program you are not going forward on these nominations until you share with the congress with really happened in benghazi. >> shannon: do you have support across the aisle at all for the proposition? i'm sure there are democrats who would also like answers to that question. >> i would be shocked if the democratic party would not at least join in the effort to find out what the president did during the attack, who did change the talking points. why are we now you back to a pre9/11 model of where the fbi can't talk to the cia. i hope they are interested in that. >> shannon: have you been given any timeline for the investigations wrapping up? >> you have to remember that brennan is also one of the people that we suspect of leaking classified information about the bin laden raid, the underwear bomber and cyber attacks against iran by us and israel. that is the subjec

this is that president obama obviously got a lot of flack over susan rice and decided that was not a battle he was willing to fight. and so when she said, i don't want any more -- any more to do with this, he said okay. i will accept. i am not going to nominate you. chuck hagel, he decided he is going to go to the mat on the this one. i think he wins. >> absolutely. how does he not win? you know, it's him reaching across the aisle. he is doing exactly what he has been attacked every day, district attorney in and day out for the last four years, you know, by republicans for claiming that he is not doing, which, of course, you know which is reaching out, working with republicans, taking one of their own, you know, and not one much these country club old school republicans that i think really make up the vast majority of folks that colin powell talked about with his initial response with the tapping of the party. somebody who i think is respected but has some very conservative views, too. >> chuck hagel secretary of defense. at a time does speak -- and when we come

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